Culture of Contact Episode 11: Jeff Ritzmann Speaks Out (Part 1 of 2)
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Ufologist/Experiencer Jeff Ritzmann shares some of his most amazing "high strangeness" experiences. This is one to remember and it's part 1 of a 2 parter in the middle of our miniseries on authentic abductees!
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dammit im already 47 into the interview and it feels like 15 min.
Another great interview Jeremy maybe the best so far.
Jeff is a very compelling witness from the "gong" experience to that damn story of giving that "guy" a lift is easily the most terrifying stories ive ever heard in any way shape or form.
GIMME GIMME GIMME part 2.....NOW!!!... um please?
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I wish I could but only part of it is recorded. We've more chatting to do this week. Jeff's one of those rare people I could listen to all day and still want to buy the book.
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Boy, Jeff brought back memories I hadn't thought of in years. Great interview and I happen, for now, to agree that all of the weird stuff is connected. It's all part of the same phenomenon.
The question I have for Jeff, and anyone else who has had such weird experiences, is:
Have you found that after facing the most horrifying encounter, and the fear that engenders, your experiences have taken on a new tone? Guess I'm trying to liken the worst fear inducing stuff to that of some sort of shamanic-like transition.
Maybe it's just better worded by asking if there was ever a distinct change in the types of experiences you've encountered. If so, what was the experience like BEFORE the change.
Or am I just blowing smoke where there is none?
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I do find Graham Hancock's research into the scary-as-hell shamanic journey/alien abduction connection intriguing. I think, though, that these beings are alive, are conscious, in a way that were are not. I think we divide ourselves into conscious/unconscious and they have this oneness/wholeness thing going on. So when we interact with them, we interpret everything through this broken consciousness. The surface level events we remember and can comprehend to a point. The rest get buried. Unless we transcend, upgrade, whatever the word is--somehow evolve or mutate into that wholeness consciousness, we will always lack the ability to comprehend the entirety of the situation. It will always come to us in a dream, under hypnosis--in some abstract way--or not at all.
So I think it's far more important to deal with what we are before we can even begin to ask what they are or what the nature of these interactions is. Good/bad; enlightening us/eating our fear; stealing our souls...none of these things can be fully understood with the divided mind. Unfortunately, to even utter such a thing gets you lumped in with the New Age crowd unless you preface it by saying it's hypothetical or a metaphor. It's neither. There really are higher, broader, fuller, richer states of mind, and then the ultimate no-mind I'm saying let's nail that down and see what happens next.
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Yep, that's where I was headed, Jeremy.
I have a friend who says we have to surrender completely to our fear before we can even begin to be aware consciously. It isn't just an acknowledging our fear, but surrendering to the idea that we have absolutely no control ... and being at peace with it. The surrender must be done within the very moment that we fear most. He says things change dramatically after that realization. Says we begin to become a part of conscious remembering of events when we've moved past fear. I think he must be right. You are too.
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An afterthought, yes, so much is deemed New Agey now, enough so that most spiritual advancement is looked on as baloney. Heck, so much of it is baloney. But the fact that we protect ourselves with blinders is still fact. Until we peal away the layers of our subconscious, we'll never make headway into understanding what we've been made to forget. With all the pealing that has to take place, we just get stuck in the next most comfortable place. Better to assume nothing, no matter how attractive it looks, reasonable or otherwise.
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On a parallel tangent....
You don't even have to peel away, just get to the point where you honestly, with your entire being know that you can not know. Your search has brought you to the point of understanding that the searcher is the problem. Any direction you choose is your own; you're always the director and so to find out if there's anything beyond the director means the director has to come to an end.
When you get that, game over and poof! The authentic enlightenment becomes you.
Knowing that, this is why I don't understand the Dalai Lama. He must know that so why is he still a Buddhist? Why doesn't he reject that entirely? Unless it's the culture he's trying to preserve and so assuming a role for the sake of that.
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Maybe because it's his job, man! (kidding sort of)
I guess it's a lot easier to wonder why he doesn't reject it, given his esteemed position, but I'm kind of thinking he needn't reject anything.
If everything he now knows comes down to how you so elegantly put it, why should he reject Buddhism which, in the strictest religious sense, isn't a religion at all? It doesn't require that God be worshiped. It requires that man know himself. All practices of Buddhism are geared toward that aim so I guess we get this joyful and thoroughly delightful character to represent the end game.
That's the way I see it anyway. (I'm not Buddhist, however.)
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Because if there's just the seeing the dilemma and the seeing it is the waking up trigger then there's no need for teaching or dicipline or ritual or putting it off for several lives. So if your goal is to raise as healthy a fucked up society as possible, sure...set up something like Buddhism. If your goal is to wake the world, point it out and go away.
That's my read anyway. But maybe you're more correct than you know. Maybe it's a job.
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I'm just playing devil's advocate, though I think that whatever path one finds himself on is valid. Doesn't matter to me how someone wakes up, but our varied experiences and conscious review of them dictate when, where and how that happens.
Some wake up within the confines of religion. Most probably don't. The process is individual until it happens. The point is to "get it" no matter the path to do so.
One reason I'm drawn to your program is your healthy curiosity and healthier joy. You laugh. You explore and find the joy in it. I don't see the Dali Lama differently.
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Wow, someone likes my laugh? Thanks! -- Holy poop, Batman! Wasn't that part of the reason I got booted from Boast To Boast?
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Wow! Another very impressive and credible person you showcase in a sincere way; you perform a service.
You never axed him iff'n he thought it was an "angel", tho... so well, you know... you hate God... Why do you hate God, Jeremy... and America too. why do you hate America?
Is it because the elected Representatives of same so provoke the individual with casual disrespect, betrayal of trust, authoritarian regard, and _failure_... that such is provoked?
I was wondering...
Good work on this series of programs. You favorably reflect the approaching Escaton, Sir, imo, and it don't be gettin' no better than that for my money.
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Thank you kindly, sir. Jeff's an easy interview: I just ask him a question and then take a nap because I know anything he says is going to be more interesting than my interruption.
It's not that I hate God and America--or even apple pie. No. It's that I hate every single victim of all fascist regimes. That's right! In effect, I support the fascist dictators of those regimes. by claiming Bush has started one. Clearly, Bush has not and wouldn't if he could, and to even suggest so shows my complete contempt for the victims of real fascism. Burn all ya want, we'll make more, that's what I say!
Anywho...enough inside jokes. Time to get back to the hard work of not giving a shit. Wait. That came out wrong. I meant preparing the next show for you, the trusty listener.
Watch the skies!
Excelsior!
--jeremy
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Great podcast Jeremy. Listening to part 2 now.
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