Jer Pawn To Greg Bishop - Culture of Contact Turns 25!
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Bill Moore. Project Serpo. The CIA. The state of ufology. That drone thing Whitley Strieber saw that one time. Oh, it's all here. All here, baby, in this, our 25th episode!
Greg Bishop, author of Project Beta, joins host Jeremy Vaeni in an episode that covers juuuust about everything you've ever wanted to hear on all things ufology in about an hour. Join them here, then catch up with Greg at his blog: www.ufomystic.com
Excellent show guys!
PK
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Thanks, Paul. We are a cute couple.
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Superb interview! Your open-ended questions to Greg led to some interesting avenues of exploration.
Fave quote from the show:
GB: "Why doesn't anyone walk up and knock on the hull of a spaceship anymore? Happened a lot in the 50's and 60's and suddenly people don't do it anymore. Why is that?"
Why indeed?!
As an aside, I'm one of those MP4-challenged people so I converted the file to MP3. Would you like me provide a link to the MP3 file in the comments section for others in a similar situation? It won't impact your bandwidth quota on this site as it would be on a file storage site. You can let me know.
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Thank you and yes, for the love of all things right in this world, please provide that link. Someone gave me a link to a less-mega-byting conversion download in another thread (and thanks for that too!), but I don't think it was Mac compatible. When I have a free few minutes and the will, I'll figure it out Until then, I thank you kindly.
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Excellent show! I must confess it warms my heart every time I hear Strassman’s name mentioned. Jeremy, I completely agree with you in regards to Hancock’s book Supernatural. To be honest, I’m not a big fan of him or his other work. However, I think it’s important to not throw the baby out with the bath water and to at least check out the various avenues that he provides for investigation. At any rate, many thanks to you and Greg Bishop.
Cheers-
RedClover
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MP3 Version of Podcast
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http://www.mediafire.com/?2zyb115k1ct
The download link appears on the left side of the page. File size is approx 23MB.
Now everyone can enjoy the show!
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THANKS FOR DOING THIS CONVERSION. You are a Saint. I am awed by your kindly ultruistic nature. God Bless.
Will C.
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You're most welcome!
While I'm in this altruistic mode, I've uploaded 4 other podcasts into MP3 format.
They all can be found here:
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http://tinyurl.com/33y5a5
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Included are:
Culture of Contact - Episode 18- Richard Dolan
Culture of Contact Ep 9- Frank Soriano
Culture of Contact Episode 24 - The Gloves Come Off
Episode 6 - David Biedny Uncensored
When you get to the page, just click each filename, which will launch a new download window.
Enjoy!
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Wow, a thousand thanks. Or more. Maybe more.
You just became an honorary member of the Culture of Contact! Your decoder ring is coming in the mail so sit tight.
THANK YOU.
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My own decoder ring?! Kewl! I love trying out new gadgets.
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You are restored my faith in humankind! Thanks for the additional shows. If you could download both of the Jeff Ritzman interviews, that would be fantastic. OK, you did something really nice and I'm already pushing for more. Sorry about that.
Jeremy, I liked the Greg interview, although at some point I was either abducted or (more likely) I fell asleep while listening to it (since I suddenly "came to" and it was over). I'll try again later. I assume your interviews do not contain subliminal messages for listeners to send you blank checks, then fall asleep? The UFO field is incidious, y'know.
By the way, being a dick ain't a bad thing. Some of my best friends are....or at least MY best friend is my dick...oops! I must behave or I may have to join Jane Fonda in the corner (the lady has no class. Imagine saying "c**t") on national TV!
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I assume your interviews do not contain subliminal messages for listeners to send you blank checks, then fall asleep?
No. That's just good ol' fashioned boredom you're feeling. That I provide in spades.
MY best friend is my dick
Ah. Happy holiday.
Imagine saying "c**t") on national TV!
So long as Justin Timberlake doesn't grab her unwieldy tit, I think I'm good with that.
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Will: both Ritzmann interviews are now uploaded to the same location as the others.
http://tinyurl.com/33y5a5
Cheers!
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Lotusland,
Thanks once again for graciously doing this! Jeremy should send you a free tee-shirt with a freeze shot from his movie, e.g., maybe of his naked butt. I've heard this is making the rounds on the internet in certain fetish circles.
I am beginning to suspect my golden retriever may be a CIA agent...alas. As I attempted to do a download from your site, the dog thrust one of his toys into my hand and wanted to play. Of course, now that I finally completed the downloads, he's a few feet away snoring with all 4 feet in the air (he likes to impersonate a dead bug from the old RAID commercials).
Seriously, thanks dude, bro, or whatever macho term of endearment is considered appropriate nowadays. Hmmm...why do I assume you are a guy? Maybe you are a gal? Thanks dudette or bro-ette.
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Dudette or sista would be the correct moniker. I think I'll pass on the naked butt T-shirt though, not that Jeremy doesn't have a lovely butt, it's just not a fetish I subscribe to.
Now, the autographed kitten I would be interested in.
Thanks to Jeremy (and the person who wrote the MP4 converter) for making these interviews available. I'm totally digging them. And Will, your comments always crack me up. Write more!
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Naked Butt T-Shirts, eh...? Hmmmm.... That could sell like hotcakes.
What's scary is there really could be an online fetish community worshiping my--oh you know what? No there couldn't. Never mind.
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Okay, okay, you've worn me down. You deserve a prize. Here's what I've got:
Autographed copy of my book.
Ditto that, DVD.
Culture of Contact merchandise. Perhaps a lovely shirt or hat, hmmm?
Random UFO Magazine back issues.
A stray kitten from my yard if I can catch one (also autographed.)
Any of that appeal to you?
(Shut it, Will.)
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Good show Jeremy. Greg seems to be a straight-up guy with a what-you-see is what-you-get attitude, quite refreshing.
A new alchemy needed in order to encompass these various phenomena? Hit the nail on the head there!
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I thought he was kind of a dick, but whatever. Tomato, tomahto.
Oh, hey, Greg!
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Bishop is my other fav to you Jer the Veiny Bear (hmm a good nickname for you might be that mutated Prophecy bear from the classic 70's horror flick) it was great to hear the both of you examine the questions, some classic exchanges between you guys. Bishop- the government wasn't behind the hairy dwarfs in the 50's..... great stuff
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Ward, Jeremy's nickname is Penis Vein (reference a previous podcast's comments). I can hardly wait for the artist's rendition when he makes it his website icon logo.
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Enjoyed the show. I am kinda curious though, about why you always seem to cut Strieber (with his wild claims)so much slack(?)...(and by the way, have you listened to his interview with Pinchbeck yet?)
Keep up the hyperdimensional chi-gung... Peace, Zane
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I did hear his Pinchbeck interview. I wasn't the biggest Pinchbeck fan going into it so nothing really changed there. His position that Whitley Strieber has a super human power to will terrible things into existence just by uttering his fears is, how the French say, absurd. But really, Pinchbeck lost me in his 2012 book when he continually referred to his wife in the non-sexist parlance of "life partner." Then he cheats on his "partner." Then he blames said cheating on Quetzalcoatl and his spiritual destiny.
Blaaaaaht. Do some more drugs, ya pseudo intellectual trust fund brat! WHO'S WITH ME?!
Oh. Sorry.
Why I go easy on Strieber is because I trust him. First off, I was a huge fan growing up. He was my favorite author and a great thinker. So right away I'm biased. But when I finally got to meet him, he turned out to be a great guy and struck me as completely honest. We talked about the Master of The Key, for example, (yes, that name makes me cringe--but onward and upward) and at no point did I get the sense that he was making it up or uncertain that this was a real person.
Lastly, I'm more forgiving of his claims because he is the real deal whether you believe him or not. It's hard to argue that Communion didn't usher the alien image (and anal probe jokes) into pop culture. The popularity of this subject really did come from that book. In that sense he changed the world. And he did the same thing with The Coming Global Superstorm. He was working on a book about cutting-edge science with Art Bell called The Edge, when that guy he calls Master of The Key showed up at his hotel room door and told him things that are so implausible, he'd be a fool to write them and call it nonfiction. One of them was about how global warming works and a new ice age is on the way. He & Art looked into the claims, found them to have merit, and as a result, stopped working on The Edge and instead, wrote Superstorm. Much like with Communion, they got laughed at by the mainstream--because everybody knows this is junk science and an ice age, if at all, would be hundreds, perhaps thousands of years away.
Superstorm becomes the foundation of the flick, The Day After Tomorrow, which breaks through the pop culture barrier to an extent that now people are talking about it. The Chinese government forces its scientists to watch the movie. Now the road is paved and in comes Al Gore to make the whole thing legitimate in the American press.
I mean that's factually what happened, right? So how can I argue that Strieber is a fraud? How can anyone? No, to me he's more like a miner's canary: The small individual we should all be paying attention to.
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Jeremy,
Thank you sincerely for the insights into Whitley Strieber. I've been along for his ride since the beginning when COMMUNION first startled me when I saw it starring at me from a San Francisco bookstore window in 1987 (I think). It came out about the same time as Budd Hopkin's INTRUDERS and a book by "he who shall not be named" in Sweden or some other country where the men wear embroidered pants (no, not Fire Island!).
I admit I have had some real problems with Whitley's statements over the years from his online journal. For example, the latest thing about seeing the "Drone" and the multi-dimensional experiences (which conveniently coincide with the events in his newest fictional book 2012). I sometimes think he embroiders the facts a bit and jumps on the bandwagon of whatever is popular in UFO circles. For example, his book SECRET SCHOOL seems rather strange. When I first read it, I was surprised that Whitley was buying into the Face on Mars schtick pushed so heavily by Richard Hoaxland on Coast to Coast. I tend to agree (or have I been dupped?) that the face was a trick of lighting and that subsequent photos show nothing there by a plain old Arizona style mesa, or an extreme close-up of the skin around my eyes (sigh....youth is fleeting). So it dismayed me when Whitley claimed to have seen the Face on Mars as a boy through a telescope. Uh, huh.....OK, fine. He also said he had a vision of his future on a dieing Earth (as an old man) that was subject to extreme global warming. Sand dunes wafted across LAX. I assume that if he could rewrite the book now, he'd have a vision where he was in a heavy parka ice skating on the Pacific Ocean off Waikiki Beach! In a sense, he seems to have added a lot of stuff to his personal ongoing auto-biography that are a bit suspicious. I just have a sinking feeling that if people started claiming to see ufo's with the Playboy Bunny logo on the botton, with buxum babes mooning their cars on the Santa Monica Freeway, Whitley would find a way to claim he was once abducted and forced to be the love slave of the alien Space Bunnies and that Hugh Hefner is in fact the old man from THE KEY!!
I grant you he is a clever dude, although I found THE GRAYS disappointing. He hinted on Coast to Coast it would have so many secrets about them that no one would believe it he wrote about them as non-fiction, so instead he penned a fiction book. Well, what were the secrets? That the Greys travel in threes and talk to each other like the 3 Stooges? Well, at least he didn't mention strawberry ice cream.
Thanks for the personal observations.
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Hey Will you have a web site or pod cast or something? Those observations about Whitley are some of the same nagging questions that have been bothering me.
I too have really had a way to rose colored view of Whit since communion, through transformation and breakthrough but after secret life i was getting a way to cultist vibe from the book, the predictions about LAX sand dunes while Clinton was still in office still makes me shudder, since on reflection then it has really been a steady slope down hill.
His books haven't actually shaped society at all rather Whit does seem to have a great ability to take current popular beliefs, write them into literature and get other people to pay attention to what he saying through Fiction or Non Fiction.
Jeremy is right in that i can't call Whitley a fraud. I can however look at what he's saying and when he said it.
Youve got Art, Snorry, Bishop and Vaeni all sort of stuck in either idol worship or are so impressed with Whit as a 20th luminary its like common sence goes out the window.
All to often in this field no one has a good memory and im glad to see you voiced some total valid concerns here Will.
Somewhere i read maybe Tonnies blog made a comparison between Whit and Adamski and while i wasn't around in the 50's i can't help thinking if Adamski had a web site back then would it of been called Unknown Country
anyways good observations Will and im glad you had the guts to voice them and thank Jeremy for not censoring them like you say you were over on Whits site.
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Gosh i feel like i hurt Whitley or something, and such is the curse of the web once said it can't be taken back. My response sounded over harsh even to myself. I guess I've always seen Whitley as a sort of Father figure and none of what i've said i meant to call him a fraud. One thing that Whitley has done is to make me ask questions about our world, and that's never been a bad thing. Again i don't think you can look at Whit in black or white terms you have to see whitley in....grey.
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Ward, I have a long memory and many recorded Coast to Coast shows with Whitley Strieber from the mid to late 90's (in the good old days with Art Bell). I failed to mention that good old Whitley supported completely Art's scandal ridden publication that Hal Bopp had a companion vehicle behind it. This led to the suicide of the Heaven's Gate Cult, and I don't recall Art or Whitley apologizing in any way for being part of promoting such nonsense, just as Art for years continued to support Dr. Reed and the frozen burrito alien and Ed Dame's continual doom and gloom scenarios. I also tend to evaluate people by the company they keep. That is why I insist that my wife's family only show up at our house after dark! Seriously, Unknown Company was a great disappointment to me when Whitley invited William Henry (equivalent to Sylvia Brown in my book) to be a co-host. I see he has added a "psychic" female co-host also. The stories focused upon on Dreamland often seem daft, even by Coast to Coast standards. And this begging for funds to keep the website going is most unseemly, especially from a guy (Whitley) who I assume was paid handsomely for doing the screenplays and/or selling the rights to make movies like Day After Tomorrow and The Grays (coming soon). What does the guy do with the big bucks, blow it all in Vegas? I pay attention to what Whitley says, but I am nonetheless skeptical. Before the Y2K duedate, Art and Whitley would wring their hands and moan the fate of modern civilization like two little old women. I was really disgusted by their continual negativity, while I (and many others) worked their ass off to upgrade software so that no disaster occurred. They both seem to have a great talent for coming upon some idea or trend and bringing it to the attention of the masses, thereby making some serious money from it. Meanwhile, scientists and others have all along been working on the issues.
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Jeremy,
Oh, I think I can get away with posting this here. This got me thrown off the official Whitley Strieber online forum a few years ago, but this seems to be a more forgiving site.
Whitley told Art Bell on Coast to Coast at one point that The "Master" of the Key gave him a creamy white liquid which Whitley drank. Art Bell responded with an exasperated "Oh, Whitley, you didnt!" shake of the head comment.
This lead to some raunchy comments in the UFO Community Locker Room, which I voiced on Whitley's forum. I guess Whit doesn't have much of a sense of humor (he does seem deeply moross at times). I just said that having a stranger come to your hotel room around 3 a.m. to an intimate encounter that culminates in Whitley swallowing a creamy white liquid offered by the stranger seems just way too gay....and people were wondering how the creamy white liquid was extracted and from whence it came (or had "cum" so to speak).
The Whitley fan club was not amused. Hey, I was just voicing the underground mumblings of the people....at times I think Whitley needs another rectal probe to loosen up a bit and not take himself so dang seriously.
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Jeremy...
I can appreciate your dislike of Pinchbeck, or at least your walnut-skin-on-the-tongue-affective-reaction to his "bull shit" as recounted in his book...and I'll admit I find his approach a bit too NYkian-yuppy-boy hip for my tastes too, but at any rate it's an interesting story. The interview, or argument rather, was boiling in irony...Quetzalqoatl-boy vs. Grey-man. Is a little (or a lot) of ibogane, ayahuasca, etc. any more trustworthy than a little "alien visitation" or "mysterious strangers" when it comes to an information "dump?"
Frankly, I'll admit it...I do like listening to Streiber...and he does sound like a sensitive and nice man...and has certainly had some out-of-the-norm "real" experiences,but...I am somewhat wary of his role as "a canary." What concerns me is the ongoing black-ops that are being used to "shape thought/culture" and the possibility of his role within that. I should say though, that I don't doubt his sincerity. The military intelligence background of his father, in relation to his experiences and his potential value as a culture-creator (writer/speaker), his involvement with esoteric groups (notoriously infiltrated by agents), it all suggests to me that while he's important to listen to (and read) the information passed, may be to a certain extent what certain agencies WANT passed.
Al Gore? You gotta be kidding...
Ironically too, I tend to fall a little on the side of Strieber's "the shit's gonna hit the fan" stance than Pinchbeck's "have positive thoughts" approach. I think things COULD be changed, but what that would require is probably not going to happen...although I'm trying my best in the given circumstances to work on the grass-roots level.
At any rate, thanks for replying to my question in some depth, good luck with the next show...I'm looking forward to it. Peace, Zane
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Okay, kids. I'm off to the Atlantic City UFO Conference, which promises to be:
1.) A train wreck.
2.) My next podcast.
This is only my second conference ever. Wish me luck and don't destroy the place while I'm gone. There's pizza money on the table and leftover Chinese in the fridge.
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Bring Lotusland a souvenier tee-shirt or a coffee mug. I'd like a catalog of the latest high fashion rectal probes for 2008......some folks collect stamps, others collect alien memorabilia.
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Wow -- a very with-it guy, fast on his feet, and an interesting aspect.
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