The X-Conference. Ho. Ly. SHIT.
Just dropping a note because it's hard to contain the craptardosity that we've captured here at the X-Conference. BREAKING news that will be felt as far as FIGU.
First off, Michael Horn is FINISHED. I'm hate to give away the ending (though you can read a prelim here: www.thesecondeclipse.com) but let's just say The Silent But Deadly Truthvolution of Truth has a new and special cameo appearance: Jim Dilettoso.
Secondly, I trap George Noory at the bar and ask him the tough angelic questions...before his producer spots me and drags him away.
And...certainly not finally...the Alan Thicke of ufology, Rob Simone, is a complete and utter fop. Listen in as he runs away from David Biedny like the douchey little paparazzi he is. Ceriously, Rob: Get off the field!
Oh...and Steve Bassett, a lobbyist, challenges me, an abductee, to a debate about the FACT of the E.T. HYPOTHESIS. Huh? That's right! Let the hubris fly, people!
It's the X-con! And this time...it's a simulcast with The Paracast. This will be a very special, very looooong episode not just fulla bull but also fulla good research and personal testimony from the likes of Bruce Maccabee, Jesse Marcel, Jr., Jim Diletosso, Edgar Mitchell, David Biedny, The popular "Dr. Sue," Jeff Ritzmann, my new hero Angelia Joiner, The Dolan Family, and more!
When? I dunno. We've got to work out the logistics. But soon....very soon....
And it ain't over yet!
--j
UPDATE: IT IS OVER NOW AND YOU WILL HEAR THE RESULTS THIS SUNDAY NIGHT AT 8PM (EST) RIGHT HERE, AS WELL AS AT www.theparacast.com IN A FIRST-EVER UNCENSORED, LONG AS ALL HELL, CROSSOVER SIMULCAST!
LIKE THE GOOFY RIDE THROUGH CONFERENCES WITH YOURS TRULY? LISTEN TO MY SHOW. WANT TO GO IN DEPTH WITH THE LIKES OF BRUCE MACCABEE AND JIM DILETTOSO? WANT TO HEAR ROB SIMONE FLEE THE CONVERSATION WITH TAIL TUCKED? THEN HEAD OVER TO THE PARACAST.
First off, Michael Horn is FINISHED. I'm hate to give away the ending (though you can read a prelim here: www.thesecondeclipse.com) but let's just say The Silent But Deadly Truthvolution of Truth has a new and special cameo appearance: Jim Dilettoso.
Secondly, I trap George Noory at the bar and ask him the tough angelic questions...before his producer spots me and drags him away.
And...certainly not finally...the Alan Thicke of ufology, Rob Simone, is a complete and utter fop. Listen in as he runs away from David Biedny like the douchey little paparazzi he is. Ceriously, Rob: Get off the field!
Oh...and Steve Bassett, a lobbyist, challenges me, an abductee, to a debate about the FACT of the E.T. HYPOTHESIS. Huh? That's right! Let the hubris fly, people!
It's the X-con! And this time...it's a simulcast with The Paracast. This will be a very special, very looooong episode not just fulla bull but also fulla good research and personal testimony from the likes of Bruce Maccabee, Jesse Marcel, Jr., Jim Diletosso, Edgar Mitchell, David Biedny, The popular "Dr. Sue," Jeff Ritzmann, my new hero Angelia Joiner, The Dolan Family, and more!
When? I dunno. We've got to work out the logistics. But soon....very soon....
And it ain't over yet!
--j
UPDATE: IT IS OVER NOW AND YOU WILL HEAR THE RESULTS THIS SUNDAY NIGHT AT 8PM (EST) RIGHT HERE, AS WELL AS AT www.theparacast.com IN A FIRST-EVER UNCENSORED, LONG AS ALL HELL, CROSSOVER SIMULCAST!
LIKE THE GOOFY RIDE THROUGH CONFERENCES WITH YOURS TRULY? LISTEN TO MY SHOW. WANT TO GO IN DEPTH WITH THE LIKES OF BRUCE MACCABEE AND JIM DILETTOSO? WANT TO HEAR ROB SIMONE FLEE THE CONVERSATION WITH TAIL TUCKED? THEN HEAD OVER TO THE PARACAST.
Amazing! A mocking chock'a block, though not a sneer in the carload. Still you skate so close to the edge it must crumble at last. Then, off you fly into hubristic teeth, ultimately, and become just another sneering scourge.
I'm betting you'll pull it off.
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Lehhhhhmmmbergh,
So when did you start drinking Drano? Were you 11, or 14?
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Alas, and alackaday! Such intrepitude is to be commended with libations via COORS as you laserically evascerate the core of each denizen of said confabulation. As the Hedda Hopper of ufology, your hats must grow to match your claim to fame.
I know you can pull it off, but should you do so in mid-ejaculation of perception? This we will await.
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Funny stuff Bups. I bet you kill them on open-mike nite at the comedy/karaoke.
You go on and do what the last guy did... only badly. What a concept, only, well, you know... people might think you have less than adequate sexual organs... or even something _less_ flattering. Why give a critic _needless_ ammunition. OTOH, I'm betting your originality is astonishing!
...no accusations of course... just sayin'...
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Alfred, a man your age really should learn to take a joke graciously, rather than seeing a personal attack, and responding with a philosophical note about the size and function of my sexual organs. Actually, I've had many compliments in terms of both, but I realize that psychological projection can make a man like you ponder many things (like another man's penis size).
No one here is attacking you, so close the gun ports and rejoin the human race.
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LeshBug,
So is it true that you anally raped Shirley McClaine's dog?
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Abject apologies old sod! It's just I don't generally tolerate mockery from someone with whom I've not been properly introduced. Pardon my hair trigger; I'm sure your organs have an abundant adequacy, at the very least! We won't speak of them again. [g].
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Thank you. With all sincerity, I have tremendous respect for you and your writing. Both are marked by a unique creativity and the ability to stretch the conceptual base of others. Thank you for your wit and observations.
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Dude! That's not playing by the rules... seriously. Complements, rare and appreciated as they are, remain a strong tail-wind on take-off, a sudden doldrum for a schooners sails -- whirling pinions in a vacuum, hoss!
How can I rant and rave now? How am I to tease my creaky embolisms. C'mon, think of all the sturm and drang we could have fomented.
I'm going to ask Jeremy to ban you from the list for a few days so you'll know no good deed goes unpunished. The very idea!
Jeremy! "Gittin' joiked off ova heeyah"!
A clear violation of the 22nd codicil, third paragraph, subset 11b!
Don't think for a moment that this will be tolerated.
Jeremy -- do your duty!
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Alfredo,
So does your organ have a trigger?
And have you considered jumping off a nice, high bridge?
PRETTY PLEASE?!?!?
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Alfred:
This is the REAL Paul Kimball, letting you know that the pathetic nimrod who posted the comment above is an imposter.
Honestly, who is sad enough to try and start something by posting under someone else's name? Loser.
Paul
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Bubba Louie, "eviscerate" is spelt "eviscerate" and not "evascerate". And I should know, I just used it in a post to The Paracast forum
Anyway ... I cannot wait to hear this. If its as good as the one with Lynne Kitei, it should be a blast.
Mostly though, I really can't wait to hear Steven Bassett knocking yet another nail into his own coffin. My lord, he is a twat (am i allowed to say that before the threshold??) ... but still apparently a nice bloke with it
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Jer,
Horn can't be finished, because he never got started.
As for Bassett, yep - hubris galore. Did he slap his ass cheek for you, however? Did he??
Paul
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Well -- I know this is not up to the standards of sneering Paracrats (tm) salaciously lusting after the buffed and rippling thews of fatuously sociopathic country doctors... ...but I'm sure Mr. Bassett meant that the slap-signified spot was just one place optioned to place ones lips at the tense conclusion of any contention or divergent disagreement. "Kiss my ass," so to speak.
This is the more refined gesture presently displayed, but it has roots in antiquity regarding a much courser gesticulation.
This precursor "ass-slap" previously involved the lifting of ceremonial robes to expose a bare posterior, the cheeks of which were spread wide with no small deliberateness to reveal the winking brown eye of an herb-scrubbed anal pore. That was where the lips were to be discomfitously placed, signifying, of course, the huge annoyance of the person performing the display and a wish to be annoying, in turn.
So, not an offer, certainly, but an invitation.
The evolution of civility, eh? Brings a tear to my eye. We've come _so_ far.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/salacious+
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discomfit+
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gesticulate
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All we're missing is Mr Greer holding HIS baby?? maybe soo....
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Yaaah Jeremy! Can't wait to hear about your meet up with George "were they angels?" sNoory. Figures his dumb ass "producer" would step in.
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Hey Jeremy-No I havent posted anything yet. I got home last night, ate, and prompted passed out from exhaustion. I woke at 9:15am (eeek. late for work) and had to rush in.
Although tonight, I'll have to sit down and recount the event(s). I still can't
help feeling a bit surrealistic about the entire weekend. Mind blowing.
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I just got in at about 5 in the morning. Talk about surreal, it ended with a bang. If Biedny had been there I have zero doubt there would have been a fight and cops would have been called. I went to the "after party" up in... I guess it was Bassett's room. My crew was about to leave, saying our goodbyes and Bassett comes in from somewhere. I say goodnight to him and thank you and all that and he pulls me aside to "ask" me about the ETH. "Jeremy, who do you think is abducting you? If it's not aliens flying around and abducting people then what is it?"
This wasn't a question so much as a sneer.
I answered that I don't know. It very well could be aliens. Might be. MIGHT. However, there are a bunch of options and it seems ridiculous to me that you'd build a whole structure betting on one of them. (The structure being the Bassett group asking for disclosure... the Greer group giving classes on being an ambassador to the stars... the Webre group writing new policies that will become law when we earthlings join the Galactic Federation.) Bassett had the balls to tell me that he has nothing to do with those other camps!!!
"That's not me, that's them."
Really, dude? Because you sure do work with them, have them on your stage, and give them awards! You all call yourselves "exopolitics." Am I insane for making that obvious structural connection?
But that didn't really bother me so much as shock me. No, what really got me was that he was in my face, a la Kimball's story, telling me the ETH is the fact. Yes, I pointed out that a hypothesis isn't even a theory let alone a fact, to which he replied what he's doing is how one makes a hypothesis a fact. And so we argued for a bit. His point is that there's no maybe about it; this is aliens. I asked him what he thinks of Jacques Vallee's work and he said it was good for its time but he's irrelevant now like Newton. I said, No, dude, YOU'RE irrelevant like Newton. Where these beings are from isn't the point. The problem is that when I hear ETH, the subtext is always this: These are people from another planet that are enough like us that we can forge a relationship comprehensible to us and controlled by us. In other words, THIS IS WHAT OLD WHITE MEN DO TO KEEP THEIR REDUCTIONIST/MATERIALIST VIEW INTACT BECAUSE A BROADER REALITY SCARES THEM.
I'm sure if the aliens are nothing like us they will be treated as savages. Watch.
Didn't say ALL of that but enough of it. Meanwhile I'm having a calm exchange with him and he's up in my grill with his zealot's sneer telling me I'm not a researcher I'm a philosopher and my problem is I don't want to narrow it down to what's happening I want to over-think everything and go on and on in uncertainty so that this phenomenon conforms to whatever I happen to think about it at the time because that's the extent of my egotism.
I told him, "You know you're being every bit as condescending to me as you accused Kimball at that last conference."
EDIT: Actually I said that after I nearly yelled, "I'm not a philosopher or a researcher, I'm an EXPERIENCER!"
He stopped and said, "You're right. I am being like Kimball." And laughed. And...maybe that was an apology?
But anyway, on it went. I'm right, you're wrong. I, the carny barker am right and you, the abductee, are wrong. There is no MAYBE, we know what this is. There is nothing that transcends logic--there's nothing more to humans or to these beings that would make them incomprehensible to us as we are. No no, that's not what the UFO reports of the last 60 years speak to.
Never mind that he claims he never said alien abductees are really what we think we are. That's right, Bassett doesn't believe in alien abductions wholly. It's a maybe. Aliens? That's a definite. Alien abductions? Not so much.
Except when he's on stage saying "Look to the alien abductees. They will be the people we look to as guides when disclosure happens....Go buy the abductee art from the gallery. This is the new art form of the future." And so on and so forth, etceteras.
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One one hand I think it is irrelevant whether these beings are from another physical planet or another dimension. The bottom line is that they are HERE. "Get used to it", as the feminists and gay liberationists used to chant in the faces of the proverbial "old white men".
However, your post above shows me that it matters tremendously to folks like Bassett that this phenomena follow a Star Trek protocol, with actual physical beings. They dream of establishing political and economic treaties, perhaps trade routes (will Alpha Centauri be the next capitalist cheap labor pool once China beings too "up market" to be the world's slave labor camp?). They envision people basically like us, although facial features might be initially upsetting.
To such people, trans-dimensional beings brings up that uncomfortable word the "paranormal". It suggests that perhaps these are not physical beings like us (who merely travel transdimensionally, e.g., as in sci-fi worm holes) but who are indeed may not even be physical in the same sense we are (or think we are!). Such exopolitics people want to domesticate the ufo phenomena, using their own projections and fantasies to do so. If the phenomena is trans-dimensional, it gets very messy. Are these beings demons, are they tricksters, are they so incredibly foreign to human consciousness that prolonged exposure could cause insanity or transcendence?
None of those questions ever bothered the writers of Star Trek or even Star Wars! Nope! Our present consciousness is the RULE through-out the cosmos (what a relief! What hubris!).
So there is a lot riding on whether the aliens are physical or trans-dimensional. A physical alien may some day open a StarBucks franchise on his home planet. But a trans-dimensional being (perhaps an orb that can take on human form) is just plain icky! How can we use such a being to our advantage?
When I hear or read something from exopolitics, I feel very sad, and a wave of brief compassion flows through me (like an intestinal gas bubble). These guys are working so hard for something that is basically all in their heads. If the aliens turn out to be nothing like this, think how betrayed these guys will feel.
Well, perhaps they are the fundamentalists of the ufo religion. Ufo mystics have to just smile politely at these guys and walk away, because if you disagree, they (like a bible thumper) may go into a rage, but it never changes anyone's view.
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Jeremy-
If I hadn't head it with my own ears I wouldn't have believed it. Did you ask him about the "I have more information, but I can't bring it up, it's not appropriate" comment?
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Shit, it didn't even dawn on me. I was too busy fending off the attack dog.
Listening to Greer's speech from last year. Dude, I'm no homophobe by any stretch but...For the love of god, man, come out of the closet!
I think I'll post it for all to hear...searching for the beautiful alien baby with the four-boned cranium. It's interesting to pick random spots on a track and hear what he says. He repeats the same shit over and over, mainly the word "disinformation." Telling.
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Well now you know that basically every time you talk to Basset he's going to go all rabid bulldog on you, you can prepare.
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Jeremy,
Bassett doesn't just slap his ass... he is an ass. I've come to the conclusion that like most zealots, something about his life just isn't right - he doesn't like the way things have worked out - so he's gone over the edge into his particular brand of religion. To say that Vallee is irrelevant, just like Newton, is illustrative of a man who is so far out to see even the fish have deserted him.
Nice to see I come up in casual conversation, however... although as you've now discovered, no conversation with Bassett is ever casual.
Paul
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Bassett also stated that the term "UFO" belonged in the past, while "ETH" was the present term of interest. Absolutely silly, baseless and ridiculous - talk about confusion...
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I've gotta tell ya, gang: I like Bassett, still, for some strange reason. He's a great speaker, a sharp cookie, and generous in many ways. He's agreeable to collaboration and that's sorely lacking in this field.
However, when he gets on stage and says "Abductees will be the guides in the future when disclosure happens" or words to that effect but then tells me in argument not to put words in his mouth, he's never even said that he 100% believes in alien abductions... What option do I have but to think he's a liar?
When he talks about other exopolitical leaders, gives them awards, has them speak, collaborates with them publicly, then turns around and tells me he's not associated with those guys/they have nothing to do with him... What option do I have but to think he's a liar?
Now, is he lying to win a personal argument with me or is he lying when he's on stage saying that stuff? If it's to win an argument, then I suppose that's an indicator that this is a man who refuses to be wrong. You know: a zealot. If he's lying on stage, then this indicates to me that he will work with anyone whether he believes them or not so long as it benefits him and his cause. What's his cause? Well, if it's disclosure then that makes him an opportunist and...erm... probably a zealot. If his cause is to make a living as a public speaker and this is his subject of choice, then that makes him as disingenuous as the other mouthpieces (Noory, Simone, The Grays, Ebens, J-Rod, Doty, etc.)
Any way I slice it I come up with lying. Am I slicing it the wrong way? Can someone here defend him to me? Please? I'm serious. I want to continue to like and work with Bassett and don't want to think I'm just being a prissy bitch because we got into an argument. I want that because, frankly, I'm starting to feel militant. Like, "From now on only experiencers and the non-experiencers they deem worthy get to voice an opinion I'll consider" kind of militant.
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Jeremy-
I don't see anything to like about him. Great speaker? He can talk, I'll give him that...but what good is that when he spouts the kind of nonsense he did at the end of the conference?
Sharp cookie? Yeah, he's intelligent...then goes off to say how its "confirmed" among other convicted statements that these visitors are extraterrestrial. I don't see that as very smart.
As I said to you after the panel-he's at a position of influence over some popular opinion...maybe not a ton, but some. He's gaining more with every convention. And to come off with that kind of blanket, unproven statement is nothing short of ridiculous. I can only hope more people were as put off as you and I were over those fist slapping statements.
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The general public already believes that if ufo's exist, they are from other planets. So Steve Bassett is just preaching to the choir. People who aren't specifically interested in ufology (the mainstream majority) do not ponder alternative explanations. If you see a UFO, that equates in most minds to claiming you saw an alien space ship, a flying scaucer. Steve really cant damage a meme that is already extremely strong in our culture. Think of all the sci-fi series on TV and in the movies that rely on this basic premise of aliens from many worlds. It's just a given at large.
If Steve slapped his ass in my face (and I was coherent), I'd quick as a flash pull down his pants and shove my ever-ready BIC pen deep where the sun doesn't shine. He wouldn't be slapping his ass around in peoples' faces anymore. Of course, I'd probably be sued for everything I own, since he'd claim some sort of internal damage (yeah, like it's the first time....).
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FOR THE RECORD: Bassett apologized saying he was overly tired (understandable), everyone has a right to their opinion, he's not shy about his and no one should be, but it won't happen again. So he's a stand-up guy at the end of the day.
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David,
Actually, I agree with Bassett here, at least in terms of the need to relegate the term UFO to the history books, as an artifact of another era. UAP would be a much more useful term, particuarly for those who keep an open mind and view the phenomenon as something that might represent many things.
Still, it isn't going to happen, because "UFO" is so ingrained in the mainstream's mindset, so there isn't much point in talking about it.
Paul
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"and prompted passed out from exhaustion"
Yeah...prompted...as you can see I'm still dead on my ass.
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Actually, I'lllay money on Chunky Monkey being their fave, but I always reserve the right to be wrong.
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Oddly enough, I was going to type chunky monkey at first, and then switched to Cherry Garcia. Weird... I'm sure Bassett would see that as evidence that both DB and I are in on the "cover-up"
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dude, you just truthvoluted all over das diebenkorn. does that lil lullaby you wrote have a known half life?
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Livestock breeders often practice inbreeding to "fix" desirable characteristics within a population. However, they must then cull unfit offspring, especially when trying to establish the new and desirable trait in their stock.
In plant breeding, inbred lines are used as stocks for the creation of hybrid lines to make use of the heterosis effect. Inbreeding in plants also occurs naturally in the form of self-pollination.
Results of inbreeding
Inbreeding may result in a far higher phenotypic expression of deleterious recessive genes within a population than would normally be expected.[1] As a result, first-generation inbred individuals are more likely to show physical and health defects, including:
* reduced fertility both in litter size and sperm viability
* increased genetic disorders
* fluctuating facial asymmetry
* lower birth rate
* higher infant mortality
* slower growth rate
* smaller adult size
* loss of immune system function.
Natural selection works to remove individuals who acquire the above types of traits from the gene pool. Therefore, many more individuals in the first generation of inbreeding will never live to reproduce. Over time, with isolation such as a population bottleneck caused by purposeful (assortative) breeding or natural environmental stresses, the deleterious inherited traits are culled.
The cheetah once was reduced by disease, habitat restriction, overhunting of prey, competition from other predators (primarily lions, competition from human land use, etc.) to a very small number of individuals.[2][3] All cheetahs now come from this very small gene pool. Should a virus appear that none of the cheetahs have resistance to, extinction is always a possibility. Currently, the threatening virus is feline infectious peritonitis, which has a disease rate in domestic cats from 1%-5%; in the cheetah population it is ranging between 50% to 60%. The cheetah is also known, in spite of its small gene pool, for few genetic illnesses.
Island species are often very inbred, as their isolation from the larger group on a mainland allows for natural selection to work upon their population. This type of isolation may result in the formation of race or even speciation, as the inbreeding first removes many deleterious genes, and allows expression of genes that allow a population to adapt to an ecosystem. As the adaptation becomes more pronounced the new species or race radiates from its entrance into the new space, or dies out if it cannot adapt and, most importantly reproduce.[4]
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A farmer born in the town of Bulach in the Swiss Lowlands, Eduard "Billy" Meier claims that his first alleged extraterrestrial contacts occurred in 1942 at the age of five with an elderly extraterrestrial human man named Sfath.[1] Contacts with Sfath allegedly lasted until 1953. From 1953 to 1964 Meier's alleged contacts continued with an extraterrestrial human woman named Asket. [2] Meier claims that after an eleven year break, contacts resumed again (beginning on January 28, 1975) with an extraterrestrial human woman named Semjase[3] the granddaughter of Sfath.
In his teens, Meier joined the French Foreign Legion but says he soon left and returned home. He traveled extensively around the world pursuing spiritual exploration, covering some forty-two countries over twelve years. In 1965 he lost his left arm in a bus accident in Turkey. In 1966 he met and married a Greek woman, Kalliope, with whom he has three children. The nickname "Billy" came by way of an American friend who thought Meier's cowboy style of dress reminded her of "Billy The Kid". This anecdote was told by Meier, himself, in an interview with Bob Zanotti of Swiss Radio International in June, 1982. (BZ, 1/08).
Meier has created a large collection of controversial and fabricated photographs. He claims these photos show spaceships (called beamships) as well as extraterrestrials (humans called the Plejaren). Meier says that the Plejaren gave him permission to photograph [4] and film their beamships in order to produce some of the evidence for extraterrestrial visitation [5].
Meier's claims are disputed by both UFO skeptics and some UFO enthusiasts [6] [7] [8]
Many Meier proponents and believers exist among UFO enthusiasts, and his evidence has seen increased exposure through the efforts of an American representative, Michael Horn, [9] who has appeared on popular late-night paranormal shows such as Coast to Coast AM.
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salami Salame Salami (Salame) is not one specific sausage; it is a generic term describing any type of encased (insaccati) meat product. The origin of the word comes from the Latin word "Salumen" which describes a mix of salted meats. Like many other Italian pork products, Salami has a long history even pre-dating ancient Rome. Over these centuries regional variations as well as preparation techniques have created various types of these sausages.
Types of Salami
Wherever Italian immigrants went, so did their sausage traditions. However, the Italian diaspora made their salami with whatever was local to their new home, thus trading tradition for freshness. While that may not be a bad thing outside of Italy, steps have been made in order to preserve the time-honored techniques of food making. Many Italian Salami have been given the PDO designation, which ensures that particular food products are made in their native geographical region using traditional methods. Each region has numerous varieties but there are a few that really stand out and should be sought after.
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So... does it matter that it was Dennis Wilson who drowned in a swimming pool. Brian is still alive and as well as might be expected.
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Sigh....I wish Steve Greer would slap his ass in my face, especially with those brawny power biceps, tensed with the massive blood veins pumping madly.
Oh, Oh...Beaulla, bring me my smelling salts before I succumb to these unfulfilled passions to make it with the biceps & pecs man of ufology.
Ufology is SEX, pure and simple. I am starting my own faction called exoSEX. Soon there will be secret chapters in every town. 'Strawberry icecream' will be the password to these dens of alien/human iniquity.
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I wonder if Doctor Greer is doing alien steroids. Maybe they don't shrink your balls the way Earth steroids do.
Jesus. I'm on the internet at midnight, thinking about Steven Greer's shrunken testicles. Thanks a bunch, Vaeni.
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My pleasure.
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Seriously, thanks. A fresh concept designed to delay the dreaded, too terrible to be mentioned at all except in reversed initials —EP— so the consequences of an additional hair trigger can be avoided for the foreseeable future. That is, if anticipation of the mechanism will allow for a performance at _all_. Even a casual reflection on same causes some of the most extreme shrinkages ever experienced, personally.
That said -- I'm off to a performance art thing involving a Bendix rotating dishwasher, some raw calves liver, and a catcher's mitt.
To much information? I suspect so!
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Looking forward to the podcast. Some of the discussion above, Vaeni, Biedny, Bassett, et.al...interesting stuff all. I am just struck at how we are currently (and by "we" I mean humanity) are in a state of postmodern breakdown...there doesn't seem to be one overarching mythology from which we construct our models of "reality." To throw a little more confusion into the mix, our models are quite mixed themselves...Vaeni seems to lean towards what is ultimately a metaphysical non-religious mysticism approach, while still trying to some degree to hang on with curled toenails to some semblance of "get real" standard issue reality... Biedny is very much invested in a fairly elitist secular paradigm engaging with modern physics and attempts to somehow maintain sanity there despite the freeky paradigm-spoon benders he has bumping into his mindspace now and then...Bassett seems to be basically in a realpolitik paradigm so it's at times hard to tell what his cosmology is...maybe he's not sure so he just lets the machine run...
Frankly, I think we're all in pretty deep shit epistemologically...psychologically...politically...and NONE of us ultimately have "the power" to get the uni(multi?)verse under the big anthropocentric thumb...
So anyway...argue, disagree, decry enemies, pat each other on the back (or slap your ass), forge friendships, and...perhaps at the end of the day, we can each say we "went for the gusto" on all our divergent paths...
I'm here confused and clueless too...enjoying the show.
Zane
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Vaeni seems to lean towards what is ultimately a metaphysical non-religious mysticism approach, while still trying to some degree to hang on with curled toenails to some semblance of "get real" standard issue reality
I think I need a definition of "mythology." We weave a set of moral law enforcement stories and then from that extract some rules to live by. That's basically it, right? That's what I think of when I think "mythology." Well, that and a bunch of bullshit answers to the eternal child's question, "What's that?"
I don't feel like I'm leaning toward anything. Maybe that's not for me to judge but the stuff I talk about I'm experiencing, so if there's a mysticism approach, it's approaching me! I am absolutely hanging on to standard issue reality by the curled toenail. Part of that is by choice (I did consciously choose not to die into this immense other thing just yet) and part of it is by necessity -- I don't want to be the flake in the room. I mean, hell: Where's Michael Salla gonna sit?
I find it odd that anytime I talk about real, literal experiences that happen to have the flavor of what, for instance, Buddhists have jotted down, it's brushed off as just another spiritual model I'm referencing. (Not just you, Zane, I mean I do get that all the time.) So now I wonder if I'm misreading what's actually being said. Are you not doing that?
If a man comes to you and says, "There's a fire blowing this way! We've gotta act now!" - Do you look for the fire or do you say, "That smacks of the California brush fires we hear about on the news a lot. Interesting." And go about your business.
I'm not meaning to be harsh, if it comes off that way. I'd like to flesh this out.
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Jeremy...very nice "Buddhist-like" fire story...lol. I certainly am not denigrating your approach...just sort of giving you my observational response to your "approach." Since you observe that "it" is a relatively common reaction, there may be some veracity there? I can appreciate your observation that it's not something you are trying to project on to the phenomenon/a as much as it seems to be inserting itself into your mindspace...how much of your mindspace has resonance with that (?). Ok, to throw it out another way...do you think perhaps "nuts and bolts" mindspaces have more "nuts and bolts" type of experiences thrown at them?
As for "mythology" I guess I try to use the term as more of a catch all for something like "interpretive narrative/description of how things meaningfully work" kind of way. I kind of see (I always hedge my bets) see all of our paradigms as mythologies...currently most of us kind of run on a relatively materialistic-scientific paradigm (or at least we try to convince ourselves we do)...but it is all just "myth" in a sense...I mean gee...for how many thousands of years have we been letting our brainy smurfs sit around and argue about the nature of "reality" and how often have those stories changed? We seem to have been doing a pretty good job of using the mainstream mythology to "make shit" for the last few hundred years or so...but still...we've got our "thinkers" hard at work trying to undo all of our "do" by pushing the approach to its limit...
Maybe I could be clearer than I am...or should be clearer... In no way am I trying to putchya down...or anyone else...heck, I even have room in my itty bitty heart for some of your favorite-to-dis. scheisters...not that I necessarily share much with their interpretations or wild-licorace-twists on reality...
Peace...and again, looking forward to the show on the conference...
Zane
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Ooooh wait a sec. I made a big old error here. My apologies. I'm mixed up my energy thing with my take on the abduction phenomenon. I suppose I'd have to accept the possibility that I am applying a mystical view to the phenomenon based on actual mystical experiences. (My line of thinking developed years before the energy experiences began to unfold but I can't really argue that they don't serve to reinforce said view.)
The thing is, there has been some overlap with abductions and the energy--the most obvious and crucial being the god/universe-identity experience, so what does that mean?
Oddly enough I don't see any evidence that nuts-and-bolts people have nuts-and-bolts experiences. In fact, the opposite, which is why Stephen Bassett (an experiencer of neither UFO nor abduction) is flat out wrong when he says this is all straight forward stuff. I know rational "experiencers" aplenty who have experienced more than little doctors and reptilian rapists. Hell, listen to the Debbie Kauble interview--quite literally the poster child for Budd Hopkins' work. Even she's abandoned the ETH (at least as a singular answer) and agrees that this is oneness waking oneself up.
But take away abductions and concentrate on the UFO data. Does that bring us to an ET presence as is his claim? No, certainly not. Sure, some of it involves beings exiting craft, but some of it includes balls of light, some of it includes shape-shifting vehicles, and so forth. There's a lot of "and so forth," as anyone who has glanced at the cases knows.
So okay, back to abductions and related experiences: we each deal with this according to our backgrounds and particulars. But the "this" in question does have one characteristic in common to all of us that the exopols are not hearing: Whether aliens or something else, there is nothing here to indicate that we are enough alike that we can continue as we are--an arrogant, deluded species--with open contact. Merely adopting a new set of Star Trek-like policies ain't gonna fake it. And if it turns out we have always been embedded in a larger reality that we can't see without an evolutionary leap or a DMT IV drip, that ain't something you disclose.
I guess I disagree with the notion that all of these are equal takes on the issue. That "all points of view are equal" thinking is the gist of (liberal?) post modernism. Obviously all of our views are partial views but the ETH Club's view is partial on top of partial. It's saying, "Yes there is something here that requires us to think outside of the box...but only to create another box."
I don't begrudge them their hypothesis (until they get in my face and tell me it's fact). I think it's indicative of a mind trying to come to terms with and own this out-of-the-box stuff the way we do normal stuff. Hell, I want answers too. I'm aware enough now to not want my own.
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I agree about the exopolitics stuff. What is the point of coming up with a protocol for interaction when we have little to no proactive power on the interaction and it's almost never on 'our' terms, at least based on the personal testimony of contactees. As far as I can tell, the people who are creating these protocols aren't in frequent contact and even if they were occasional contactees I doubt it would be on an equal playing field, which I think is inherently impossible due to the imbalance in knowledge. Do I as an ordinary citizen try and implement protocals for how the CIA or even a Grizzely bear interacts with me or do they do whatever they want and they dictate the interaction based on my reactions for the most part? While we're at it, lets create protocols for how bigfoot, angels and ghosts are supposed to interact with us.....
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