Culture of Contact Episode 42: Dr. Janet Colli: Aliens, Humans, and Oneness
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Transpersonal clinical psychologist and author of Sacred Encounters, Dr. Janet Elizabeth Colli, adds a beautiful final chapter to the last two podcasts, tying together the themes of deep spirituality and alien abduction. This may be the first time in podcast history where the guest turns the tables on the host and ends up giving him public therapy!
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CoC Ep 42 - Interplanet_Janet_Galaxy_Girl.mp3
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Wow, smart lady. She's right about it being useful having you share your (extremely) personal experiences. My feeling is that the impact of what y'all are doing here might be further reaching than it seems at the moment.
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Note to self: do not drink coffee while Jeremy does Steven Greer impersonations.
I swear Jeremy, if I were still in my happy-go-lucky, flash animating youth with oodles of free time on my hands, I would do a cartoon using that bit as a voice track. It's fucking GOLD.
Wish I could say the same about the rest of the show but no. Basically all she did was pat you on the back and say "Good boy, well done have an astral cookie" while simultaneously bitchslapping away any critical comments as the lesser opinions of "lower brain" thinking. Boo-urns!
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Oh man, I'd love to see a flash animation of that. Every 33rd frame is him in reptilian form.
I wish I'd asked if we can distinguish between condescending and actual descending (if there is such a thing.)
Not sure that she was merely patting me on the back. I know she was pleasantly surprised that we spoke the same language, as it were, and so this essentially was an interview of agreeance coupled with her in therapist mode: positive affirmations so that I see what I'm talking about and more comes out.
There are little things I found interesting, like saying I'm telling my story as a means to conquer the fear of it. I wonder if that's what motivates gurus to speak out: It's more for their benefit than anyone else's and to take on disciples sets them up as the immortal center of a group dynamic. So they think they've conquered ego (the immortal center of the individual), but they're still clinging to it while taking on this "higher" role, which is still the ego in fancier clothing (the immortal center of the group).
But I digress....
How can we tell the difference between patting someone on the back and the authentic agreeance of people who understand the same stuff because that stuff is real? Is there a way? Does it take a certain type of scholarship, like literature professors discussing the nuances of Hamlet? Is every reader's opinion of Hamlet equally valid and deep simply because we can all read the words? If so, why do schools teach anything beyond basic alphabet comprehension skills?
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Good interview, Jeremy. And that Greer skit at the beginning was HILARIOUS! Great lisp! I'd love to hear you conduct an interview as Greer and stay in character throughout. Of course, if you're really being Greer, your guest won't get a chance to say a word, so better get someone who doesn't like to talk much.
I don't know if telling Janet you were an experiencer was the reason she remained inside her clinical psychologist role, or if that's just how she operates generally, but I don't know how you could not share that aspect of yourself.
Be that as it may, she did the usual mirroring, inverting your statements into questions to get you to probe a little deeper. It's a useful technique. Would you have explored this path more deeply without the abduction experiences? Hmmm? Would the spontaneous kundalini-like experience have happened without the previous experiences?
I liked that she's uses Stanislav Grof's work as part of her approach. He seems to have pioneered this idea of the "spiritual emergency" which is distinct from a psychosis and needs to be handled differently. Unfortunately, most people going through a spiritual emergency have to contend with mainstream treatment and are given drugs so they don't actually get to go through the process of transformation. Such a shame.
I've read most of Grof's books and the one that you might find runs parallel to your own experiences is The Stormy Search for the Self. Grof's wife underwent one of these "emergencies", complete with the kundalini experience. She was not actively seeking this out. There are many paths that lead to one's unfolding. You don't have to be poked and prodded by aliens to get you explore more deeply, but some kind of trauma does seem to trigger it. Janet indicated that facing her own mortality via a cancer diagnosis really pushed her transformation process. Why wait till you're faced with your death before you start this journey? (Cos we're a bunch of lazy gits?)
I like that she doesn't put any kind of good/bad qualifiers on these experiences. Definitely a more productive approach and an affirming one for clients.
"If you tame the tiger of fear, then your brain transforms. We must transform the brain."
And you astutely asked "Why do we have to transform our brains?".
"So we can participate [without fear] in interspecies communication." Good answer.
Mini Links Dump:
Janet Colli: http://sacredencounters.com
Stanislav Grof: http://www.stanislavgrof.com/index.htm
Jeff Ritzmann: http://www.thesecondeclipse.com
Spiritual Emergency Books:
The Stormy Search for the Self
Spiritual Emergency: When Personal Transformation Becomes a Crisis
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MP3s and the links dump. So very in love with you.
It's hard to stop doing the Greer voice once I start. It's addictive. I'll probably end up doing a whole interview like that by accident.
Thanks for the reading suggestion and the comments.
"Why wait till you're faced with death before you start this journey?"
--Because most of us don't even recognize it. I don't think we're lazy in this regard, so much as we are (willfully) ignorant.
Imagine a world where you're walking down the street picking up bits of cell phone conversation that aren't the speaker recounting his day with himself as the protagonist and whoever they're talking about as the antagonist. This is the bulk of what we "share" with each other when we communicate and we're just fine with that. I mean this is what you're up against.
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Would you still love me if I told you I had just made a donation to the Orion Project?
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Yes. After some serious deprogramming and a refund, yes.
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When I hear that subtle piano music I get an unmistakable shit-eating-grin cause I know what’s coming! Greer-gibing!!!
"I’m good friends with college."
I like how (fake) Greer admits that the devices actually are free to him from you.
"I can do you one better..."
“The baby was very much alive!” (in an excited whisper)
“I can fix your arm up real good.”
The “I can do you one better and beam you back to space by the powers of my mind” got my goat big time. I am playing it again as I type and I have to read through the rainbow colored spittle on the screen from my bursts of laughter. Anyway, awesome skit!
I thought you guys let Greer talk too much on the Paracast without castrating him. I was listening for a choke-slam but he was able to wriggle out of most stuff you threw at him. You got to hand it to him if he wasn’t so fucking slimy, articulate, and rehearsed he would have been out of the game long ago. The dude’s so fucking full of it: he said he held a fucking beautiful alien baby a year ago now its just some Andean/European rumor with pictures of a hunk of fascia. Next he’ll buy his daughters teacup chupacabras to carry around in their purses at college.
-ol’4-bone
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I thought you guys let Greer talk too much on the Paracast without castrating him.
Agreed. I wish I'd talked to Gene & Dave about it beforehand. I found out after the fact that they wouldn't have minded if I'd blatantly called him a fraud.
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Hey Jeremy, enjoyed the show. I can't remember if you've mentioned whether or not you've read Whitley Strieber's book, "The Key" or not, but if not, you might want to as it mentions some of the themes you go into in this discussion. Another book you might want to check out, which comes at some of the same issues from a slightly different perspective is Aeolus Kephas' "The Lucid View" (a tad bit OTO-ish).
Your insights about a "die off" are interesting...and the books above discuss that topic at some length. You also asked the interesting question related to the differences between the dispensationalist "Christian" view of the "rapture" with the less religion-based scenario of human evolution via transpersonal experiences... If the crucifixion in the standard text is read as a microcosmic reflection of a macrocosmic event...or at least a mesocosmic event (the Earth/Humanity/Adam Kadmon), it might yield some interesting insights..."die off" sorts of insights...and possibilities coming out of that...
Peace, Zane
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Thanks. I have read The Key but not The Lucid View. It was kinda spooky to me that The Key was written at the same time as my book and we were talking about some of the same themes. Spooky because I don't want to be right.
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Jeremy,
If you create a series of S. Greer impersonation skits, I will definitely create a CD with just these skits - it would be the best comedy album I've heard in years (with sort of an "in crowd" feel to it, since you have to know the dear Doctor to 'get it').
When things get dull but y'all feel frisky, it might be fun as someone noted to do an actual interview, e.g., David B. or Jeff interviewing you in the guise of Dr. G. It would be great fun for the whole family, including the dog.
Thanks for also sharing your search and observations on transcendence. Good luck to you on that. I admit it isn't my cup of tea per se (I have my own spiritual path and journey, leading the same place I think, but not via the same terminology and methods). Hope you can return to something amusing yet appropo soon in a podcast, e.g., an interview with the delightful lady in Atlantic City who thinks Reptilians control New York City per the architecture. Architecture? Are Reptilian into phallic symbols in glass and steel? Hmmmm. Wonder what Doctor Greer's visceral reaction is to a huge thick strong skyscraper framed in a thick bush of planter box trees....
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You and Dr.Colli must have said a hundred"you know." It spoiled the entire interview. You know ?
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It's hard to speak without a script, be honest, AND be aware of bad public speaking habits during a conversation. I'm tryin' dude.
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I never noticed the "you knows" in this podcast or in any other. I suppose if someone has a fixation for a particular turn of phrase, that's what they will focus on to the exclusion of the content.
Considering no one else has ever mentioned this before, I would surmise that most others don't see it as a problem either - and nor should you. Your interviews are fab, just the way they are.
Now if you start asking for donations to develop free energy devices at the end of each sentence, that would be a problem.
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Wow - this was a really amazing interview.
I now love Dr. Colli, She's my new favorite person.
I agree with the posting above. You are onto something that might be very important (and beneficial) to the collective good!
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ENJOYED THE INTERVIEW WITH DR. JANET COLLI AND WISH I HAD ACCESS TO HER. HAVING JUST EXPERIENCED A LECTURE AND 12 HOUR WORKSHOP (WHICH I COULD NOT AFFORD) WITH DR STEVEN GREER, INCLUSIVE OF A NIGHTTIME FIELD-TRIP TO MAKE CONTACT WITH EXTRA-TERRESTRIALS, I MUST ADMIT I WAS DISAPPOINTED WITH WITH LACK OF SIGNIFICANT CONTACT AND HAD SOME DIFFICULTY ACCEPTING SOME OF HIS PERSPECTIVE ON THE PHENOMENON. I AM NOT SURE THAT I GOT $115.00 WORTH OF WHAT WAS PROMOTED AND TALKED ABOUT. HAVING SAID THIS... I CAN'T HELP BUT WONDER WHAT DR. COLLI WOULD MAKE OF THE EXTREMELY ENRAGED ATTACT ON DR. GREER AT THE END OF THE PARACAST, AND YOUR NEED TO KNOCK AND MOCK AND RIDICULE HIM SO SIGNIFICANTLY. I CAN'T HELP BUT WONDER IF YOU THREE WEREN'T FRUSTRATED, ENRAGED AND JEALOUS OF HIS FORMIDABLE INTELLECT AND IMPRESSIVE COMPETENCY, AND YOUR INABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH A THREE-ON-ONE TAKE DOWN OF DR. GREER. AS FAR AS I HAVE EXPERIENCED, EVERYONE IN THIS PHENOMENON FUNDRAISES. OR SELLS. I FOUND THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE PARACAST INTERVIEW WITH BUD HOPKINS AND THAT OF DR. GREER VERY INTERESTING. THE HOPKINS INTERVIEW WAS VERY RESPECTFUL... IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THIS IS BECAUSE HOPKINS IS SIMPLY NOT AS INTIMIDATING AND THREATENING TO YOUR EGOS? WHY ELSE BE SO ENRAGED AND MEAN-SPIRITED? CAN WE GET DR. COLLI'S ASSESSMENT ON THIS?
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Gee, better late than never I guess....
Dr. Greer is a snake oil salesman with grandiose unbacked and dishonest claims. That, not fund-raising, is the problem. Hopkins is a researcher whose techniques and conclusions are questionable but who is doing "honest" research. If you don't see the difference, that's on you.
I wonder what Janet Colli would think someone writing in all caps is compensating for?
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WELL... BY ALL MEANS, LETS GET DR. COLLI'S OPINION ON THIS. HAVE HER LISTEN TO THE PARACAST ON DR. GREER AND YOUR ALLEGEDLY HUMOROUS IMPRESSION OF HIM, AS WELL AS YOUR PSYCHE'S RESPONSE TO MY "ALL CAPS", AND SEE WHAT HER ASSESSMENT IS. I AM MORE THAN WILLING TO GO WITH FULL DISCLOSURE.
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I'm sorry and your point is what again? That Greer is a swell guy? Great! Then keep giving him your money and listening to his bullshit. Have at it, fella. Enjoy. You can be sure he is.
The pathetic thing about the type of mind ufology attracts (and America farts out in the school system) is that it will argue about a Greer, perhaps even sympathize with him, if it thinks he's been unfairly attacked. It will say he "won" a debate if the opposing side didn't get him to confess he's lying. The actual facts never come into consideration. It's all style over substance and how you feel emotionally about his treatment by the "bullying" team. Perhaps if you saw police interrogating not a suspect but a criminal you'd feel for the criminal too.
In an intelligent world where shit like facts matter, we wouldn't even have had a Paracast "gotcha" episode to begin with because sane, moderately together people know it to be self-evident that Greer is full of shit in the same way they know televangelists are.
But if you want to continue to defend the Pat Robertson of the paranormal go for it. I guess if I gave him hundreds of dollars to see UFOs and I saw nothing, or to hear him speak and I found what he said lacking, I'd be defending him too... if I were an idiot in ufology. People in the real world ask for their money back.
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