Culture of Contact Episode 43: Jean Eisenhower Rattles with Fire!
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RattleSnake Fire author Jean Eisenhower takes us on a journey through her life--and what a journey it is! Shamanism, multiple personalities, alien abduction, MKULTRA, angelic guides, dolphins--My god, this episode has everything, including a very awkward reason for starting the interview late.
Oh, also, we answer one of the questions in her whirlwind of a book: Are Jim Marrs & Whitley Strieber disinformation agents?
This is the must-hear companion to the must-read book!
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If we are not our personas, then what are we?
Wow, you asked some great questions throughout this interview.
Jean's story really stretches the thread of believability, but I found her to be both provocative and compelling. Undoubtedly she has come through some horrendous experiences, but what is most encouraging is how she has processed these experiences. To be able to move through that level of fear and come through the other side no longer held in its snare is quite remarkable. I think she's shown a lot of courage to be so public about this (or else crazy some might say!). When experiences of this magnitude are written down, they solidify and can be processed in a way that is meaningful not only to the author, but to all who read them.
You're both very brave for doing this. Extraordinary events, whether they have happened in the physical realm, or in other realms we are yet to comprehend, require tremendous courage to share.
I hope you'll have more guests on of this nature as these podcasts of late have been offering something that the gazillion other paranormal podcasts have not: hope for humanity. What I mean by that, is you both are transcending the mundane and asking the larger questions about who we are.
If we are not our personas, then what are we?
That question could take a lifetime to answer.
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If we are not our personas, then what are we?
That's the basic spiritual question of the ages, and many disciplines answer that as "God" or "aspects of God" (or the universe, the source, or whatever term you prefer).
Anyway, my humble opinion is that the interview was a dud in that it seemed at the same caliber as the 2 Heidi Hollis interviews. While the book may have been riveting to you, did she really disappoint, Jeremy? She was certainly honest, but I didn't hear much conviction or substantiating proof or commitment, just some fuzzy feelings and slightly dissociative states. Mental illness is a great challenge to overcome, but isn't necessarily the result of MKULTRA or any other nefarious intervention. She now sees an angel? So does Phillip Krapf (see Coast to Coast recent interview). This is the guy who said he was contacted by the Verdants (little green men?) years ago and that they promised the usual (heaven on earth, low gas prices, technology to make Star Wars seem laughable, etc.) Alas, the Galactic Federation changed their minds when the date came around, but such is the usual course for such stories. Anyway, I digress.
As far as downloading your interviews to CD, this one definitely was NOT a keeper.
When I was a boy we had a Mrs. Gadow living across the street. Her husband was a bigshot who treated a lot of people poorly, and she stayed awake at night in fear someone would attack them. She'd come over and tell my mom stories about blank limo's that would drive up to our house at 3 a.m. and men in suits that would peek into my windows, and seeing black dogs with glowing red eyes defecating in her yard, and beautiful aliens with 70's big hair, e.g., mullets, who would sing old Bobby Darin songs to her.
I'm sorry she is dead. I think she could have been a fascinating guest for your show.....
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I can see why someone would see parallels between Heidi and Jean's stories, but it's their relative interpretations that set these two women apart.
Heidi is convinced that she has met Jesus and will entertain no thoughts to the contrary. Nor will she probe her experience at a deeper level. Jean, on the other hand, presents her story and retains a questioning stance with regards to its meaning and what actually happened. She remains open to other interpretations of these events as she is still in the process of trying to figure it out. She by no means states that she has all the answers to the phenomena she has experienced. In fact, she's still quite perplexed by them and is looking for input from others.
As for labelling her experiences as "overcoming mental illness", it's an easy label to bandy about which immediately discredits a person and their story. We could easily apply this criteria to the visions of John who wrote the Book of Revelations. Anyone seeing imagery like John either has a serious mental illness or consumed large quantities of entheogens. But that doesn't stop a billion people the world over from believing what he had to say, now does it?
The Bible is full of prophets who were always meeting extra/intradimensional beings or hearing God talk to them personally, so if they're not mentally unstable, what are they?
Jean isn't claiming to know what the agenda is of these entities, has no predictions or warnings of impending doom (or salvation), and presents her experiences in as open a manner as possible. She's not trying to start some cult of personality a la Greer. Maybe we heard two different interviews? It sure seems that way.
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Actually, I do think that the John who wrote Revelations was totally daft, off his rocker, around the twist, one card short of a full deck, and probably suffering from constipation (many people who predict doom and gloom are, per government studies).
Listen, everyone has their own opinion. I thought the interview was a dud. You can take on the mantel of Jeremy's apologist or defender of the Culture of Contact if you like, but I gave my honest view of the interview. In that sense, I should be given as much respect as Jean, who was giving her honest views. I did not find her riveting or inspiring or even interesting. You did. Good for you.
No, Jean is not starting a cult, or competing with Dr. Greer. She also had nothing to do with the World Trade Center attack, the war in Iraq, or a zillion other ills in the world. So what?
Note: I got the impression that Jean was open to the view of her own mental illness. Having multiple personalities is pretty much a sign (at least in the mainline medical world) of mental illness. If you and/or Jean wants to consider it normal, so be it. You might change your mind if you had ever lived with such a person. I've known such a person and they did end up in a mental facility for their own safety. But I invite you to welcome such a person into your life. You'll never be bored again!
Take care.
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Hey Jeremy,
Have you considered an electronic version of your book for those who are adverse to having things shipped cross-border? (Your book is not available on the amazon.ca site)
Just wondering...
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It's actually available with some bonus stuff in e-form at www.filamentbooks.com
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Just went to the filamentbook site and guess whose face is on the home page? George Noory. I cringed.
As for the ebook, it seems to be in some kind of proprietary format which requires using a piece of hardware called ETI. I was thinking more along the lines of a PDF, such as you can by at Lulu's.
I know, I know, I'm being difficult!
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Lotus: Sorry.
As for Anonymous... I'd love to respond to your criticisms in full.
...wait for it...
...wait...
Just kidding! Instead I'm banning you. Why? because you're "Arizona Will" and I'm completely sick of your shit on all the forums you go to. Furthermore, we both know it's killing you inside being banned like this without being able to give a rebuttal or a grandstanding "I'm outta here!" speech for the umpteenth time. Of course we both know you'll do that on one of the other forums, won't you?
You can't resist You're cut from the same cloth as He Who Shall Not Be Named.
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I echo Lotusland. Great interview from both sides of the aisle.
Going to have to investigate Ariel. Was reading Chopra's The Third Jesus last week wherein he suggests the reader try to contact a higher power, Jesus, angels, a higher self, whatever the reader finds comfortable ... and ask the name of whoever is listening. Heard a very quiet "Arial." Had the same reaction Jean had initially. I'm nuts or imaginative. So that part of the interview made my head twist.
I'm wondering if she is particularly thought to be connected with the deconstruction of fear in general.
Thanks for the fodder.
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Although I may not agree with some of the guests, I really like the direction these podcasts are taking with exploring the connection between consciousness and Aliens and I applaud Jeremy for blazing new ground here, or at least keeping light on the subject since its not talked about much. Like anything else you take from it what you can and leave the rest.
It is true though that it is hard to talk about all this stuff without sounding "new-agey", which is a result of wack-jobs taking control of the subject and making it their "bitch" so-to-speak. Not unlike the Greer's of the world of Ufology, which drown out legitimate aspects of the subject.
If I may, I would like to make a suggestion of a future guest interview on the podcast. I'm sure many have heard of Robert Bruce, he wrote "Astral Dynamics" which pretty much blew any existing books on out-of-body experiences out of the water based solely on its depth of information and its hypothesis' of consciousness dynamics that was never before examined that closely, at least not in all the books I read on the subject. He also wrote "Energy Work" in which he teaches how to raise your energy safely and what Kundalini is etc. I really liked him mostly because he is able to talk about all this stuff without sounding to "new-agey". He bases all his theories on his own experiences and doesn't draw conclusions where others might. He even states that he had a "possession" experience in which he was not in control of his body for a while which is not unlike what happened to Jeremy. I think he would be a great guest to have on, and I recommend his books if people are interested in these subjects.
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Thanks, Jeremy.
You rule. Honestly.
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Hi Jeremy,
Ally or LM. I haven't changed my gender, sexual orientaion or location.( just had to be sarcastic). I am still a 43 year old woman that lives in Sattle. I will NOT troll your site. OK enough about that.
I just got DSL on my PC. I am not that computer savy and I want to listen to your show. After downloading then what? I downloaded this but I wasn't sure how to listen afterwards.
Thanks
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You should be able to play it in whatever media player you have - Real Player, Itunes, Windows Media Player. If you right-click on the file there should be an option that says "Open With." Choose whichever media player you have. Let me know if that doesn't work.
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I just got my DSL installed I am not sure if that is the problem or not. It still won't play. I use windows media player that I use for other shows but it isn't working for your's.I will ask my friend I use for computer asiistance. It might be soemthing I am or not doing.
This show sounds interesting.
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Maybe it's the MP4 format. Try downloading the MP3 Lotusland made in the very first post of this comment section.
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That time it worked. I will listen to it later tonight. Another late night for me.
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Good show. I wish Jean would have gone into what it is like living with multple personalities more.
The MK material is always interesting and scary. It is scary to think what human beings will do and have done to their own kind.
I wonder how accurate memories can be for mind control people in general? I have read somewhere that false memories are programed in if the real memories ever surface. Does she go into any of this in her book?
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I have read somewhere that false memories are programed in if the real memories ever surface. Does she go into any of this in her book?
Nope. I'm sure she'd be open to the idea though.
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Let me preface by asking you to just call me Deb, Debby-Downer. Also, I have never read Ms. Eisenhower’s book or even heard of her before this afternoon…I may be way off base, but from what I heard:
I dunno peeps, sounds like Jean suffers from a classic I-never-got-enough-attention-from-my-family-or-lifestyle-so-I'll-try-on-every-hat-till-I-make-other-peoples'-heads-hurt.
Wow, this lady “thinks” she has been involved in about every aspect of the paranormal and conspiracy. Is anyone else suspect of this? Can you really be visited by aliens, angels, been involved in MK Ultra, be a rock-and-roll reporter, environmentalist, minister’s wife, mother, have a healing dolphin miracle, have multiple personality disorder, and be a relative to a president all in lifetime?
Not only the previously mentioned, the context and story are all out of whack as if someone were throwing shit against the wall (for attention) to see what sticks.
I am sorry but because your brother and sister get bent out of shape when you accuse your family (parents) of atrocities does not necessarily reinforce the fact that they are in denial and therefore makes you the subject of mind control.
Also, she made very eye-opening statement in the interview suggesting she may be in-it for the $. She thought she would bring the idea of spirituality and aliens to the world. No doubt this would be through conferences and books sales as she suggests. Her website is nothing but a place to contact her for speaking engagements and book orders. BTW, you can purchase a solar oven from her as well, only $255 for lifetime use! Hmmmmm.
She is so admittingly uncertain of everything she speaks of that she cannot be taken at face value in MHO. My vote is as she suggests: brain chemistry imbalance. I hope this interpretation does not piss everyone off but I feel needs to be brought to light.
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I like Jean personally. She seems like a kind-hearted woman, very easy to talk to, and intelligent. I find her to be credible in that I don't think she's lying to make a buck. I like her book because I like those types of "all over the place" books by people I don't think are lying and because it's incredibly brave of her to write this thing in the first place. (She has a picture of a scar on the inside of her vagina, for Christ's sake. That sure beats the hot tub scene in my flick.)
However, when you say "I'm a multiple personality--But I'd like to qualify that by saying psychologists don't agree that it's a disorder...." then I can take an educated guess that the rest of the story is going to come from a place of, "I'm crazy but let's not call it that." Call me a cynic but that's where I go with it.
I agree with you about the family issues and the point I tried to make with the Strieber tale is that because I have the story as an anchor by which to judge the way she makes judgments (He's curt with me and laughing weirdly = he's a disinformation agent) I have to question what other way-off conclusions she's jumped too--especially if, as she says, she was completely stressed out and paranoid.
But also I found myself wondering if she wasn't just so fantasy prone that she would read about something like abductions or MKULTRA and then think it was happening to her. That's the way it looked to me.
Being married to a minister & being part of Earth First! I'll take at face value. I have no reason to question that.
But the icing on the cake for me here is who she surrounds herself with: Alfred Webre, Michael Salla, and my god, check out Jean Ocean's website. She claims she's traveled to possible earth futures with dolphins to bring back messages for humanity. Where do people come up with this stuff?!
So she's easily taken in by "nice" New Age bullshit artists.
All that said, I go back to this: It's an important book because she admits the multiple personality disorder. What can we learn from this?
I should throw out there that if it's true she's got split personalities, what did that to her? There must be some trauma somewhere in her childhood. What was it?
I feel bad writing this because she may read it and think I'm trashing her story. But again I believe she believes it and I know from experience just how much it sucks to hear those words when you "know" your story is real. So that's another interest for me...I read this and express my opinion and feel like a fucking hypocrite.
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Maybe it is that her thoughts and explanations of the matter are not as succinct and organized as your own. You hypothesize from time-to-time, but her conclusions as you elude to do not seem like logical steps. She seems to substitute her individualized paranoid interpretations for occurrences that may have more rational explanations. I guess we all do this to some degree, as no one is truly objective. This may be exacerbated as a result of a fractured mind.
Maybe her rendition of experiences seems quite fanciful, unassured, and unorganized because they are self-steered illusions or maybe they are the interpretations of a broke mind rationalizing actual occurrences. This is a hard reality to decipher as she admitingly may have mental issues.
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She was all over the map but considering her MPD that really wasn't a diorder I kind of expected this.
People do not get MPD without trauma. If she really thought she was part of a MK experiment, which I think she does, I wish she could have presented it in a more cohesive manner with other wittnesses. I realize this can be difficult. I haven't read the book so she might actually do this. I think it might have settled better with others if she said this is how I think and feel being a muliple personality rather than try to make conclusions in an objective way.
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Maybe it's just a case of no one particular personality having all the story? Can't help referring to Sybil.
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Sorry. That last post was mine. Got myself so firewalled up, I can't identify myself half the time.
Just not wanting to be accused of being someone else.
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Using different names or going anonymous isn't what gets you banned. It's when you come here and stir up trouble, try to get others banned and criticize my point of view because you're an old Midwestern chaplain who claims to be an abductee and abductions are evil and blah, blah, blah--and we have loooooong posts about what it was like growing up you...and then on another forum claim to be a young bi-sexual model in California and go into great detail about your life as a young bi-sexual...And then don't even own up to it. Call me crazy, try to get people on your side, etc., etc....That's when there are problems.
Go back and look at the Will posts in the Atlantic City/Lynne Kitei comment sections and realize that he was lying. Tell me that's not kinda messed up and worthy of banning. The dude needs to write a book not dick around on message boards.
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could be.
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Did I really listen to this.... was it me??
I cant seem to remember...
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Allow to play the sceptic for a moment:
Here is a Woman who admits to having experiences of multiple-personality syndrome. Then she talks about voices that she doesnt necessarily hear through her physical ears - but in her head. Then its encounters with beings and on and on.
You know, Jeremy you mentioned that you thought she was brave for writing that book. I have to agree with that 100%. I mean she really is opening herself up to being labelled as mentally ill.
I hope its not the case, as she seems like a really nice person. Its not that I dont believe her stuff, its just that sometimes when I listen to these people you get a sense of how it must look to the 'outside' and its kinda scary.
Do you know if Gene has been checked by psychiatrist / had an MRI and/or things to that effect?
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Jean, sorry, not Gene
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I don't know if she's had the noggin scanned.
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A whole month after the last post, and I'm just checking in. Don't worry, Jeremy, I appreciate your comments.
First, on my website, people can read comments on my book, which include two from renowned psychologists and one from an MD. 'Course, letters behind names doesn't guarantee anything. But some folks put stock in it.
Other than the one extreme experience I described, my multiple personality has never even been noticeable to anyone else. I've been asked to manage or take over multi-million dollar businesses twice - that's how much people trust my good sense. But I've felt myself switching, a few times, felt parts of me return, and I've also noticed signs in others that made me theorize that we all have it to some degree.
As for having so many things happen to me. That was the very reason I didn't want to write my book - it seemed too unbelievable. But the reason I came to see my story as important, is that, like all of life, all these things are probably connected in a meaningful way. We learn the most about our mysteries when we allow ourselves to make connections and consider a larger perspective. Why one person would have so many experiences?
My theory is that, if your psyche/soul are somehow opened to the other realms at an early age (in less abusive cultures everyone is born with this ability), then you will naturally experience more of the other realms, which - according to a LOT of folks - includes about as much odd life as our ocean - which you'd have had a hard time convincing a Kansas farmer of a couple hundred years ago....
I appreciate that some listeners appreciated my stance of openness to other interpretations.
As for implanted false memories, I have considered and occasionally revisit that question, but for the most part, for the most intriguing questions, I have corroborating evidence, such as the - not just a scar - but a deep cut in my vagina - sexual mutilation. Actually, there's a crisscross of them inside me. That sort of thing, plus family reactions, tends to make me stick with my current theory.
As for Whitley Strieber, I'm sorry if that didn't come across as non-judgmental as I felt. I think Whitley was right to laugh at me. As I said, I felt afterwards like my credulous teenage self was out, and I'd probably have laughed too. I wanted to redo the interview, but Whitley didn't. Yes, I felt creepy about it afterward and my mind went to thinking he was into disinformation (as others think). It's wisest to not close our minds to other interpretations. I worry for the writers who think they have reality nailed down.
Seth's comments on paranoia vs rational explanations are very reasonable. I've been all over that territory, and it's a major part of my story, dealing with exactly that excellent question. It might be called the central theme of my book: When faced with something that shakes your version of reality, do you question your perceptions, your mind, or your version of reality?
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Hi, Jean:
Thank you for your comments and for partaking in our art exhibit which (cheap plug) is going to be a"Hot Pick" item in the NY Post calendar section this Friday!
Since this interview I've met a filmmaker, James Carman, who seems like the sweetest guy in the world. He speaks several languages, is highly intelligent, creative and (cheap plug) will be showing a sneak preview of his documentary on abductees/contactees at the fest.
James was startled by all of the "space brother" or "good-guy alien" testimony he got from abductees because he's an experiencer and it's pretty negative from where he stands. I'll have him on the show to talk about it but basically, he was raised on an air force base and has memories of being in a secret school type situation with military and alien involvement. He thinks he and a group of kids were made to psychically attack people, remote view, etc. When we went to a disclosure meeting a couple of weeks ago someone was talking about hall tall the Blondes are and James blurted, "That's what they die of. They grow too tall and that kills them." Words to that effect. He said it with such conviction, not like he was trying to convince anyone but more like, "Yeah, that's just what happens," like it's common knowledge.
Smart guy.
Nice guy.
Seemingly sane guy.
I don't know what to make of this.
At this point that's all I can say. I used to poo-poo a lot more than I do now. Now there's far more gray area, if you'll pardon the pun. Since all of our brains fill in the blanks of a situation on their own and from that illusion weave tales, I know I'm just as susceptible and have to allow that my way of thinking could be completely wrong. I'm still not ready to believe there is a military/alien alliance but I'm keeping the door open because my disbelief is my own.
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Hi Jeremy,
I know James Carman. He came here to my house and interviewed me a month or so ago - I'm in his movie. Don't know if I'll make the sneak preview part... Actually I wasn't too happy with my interview. It was okay, but I was pretty nervous with the lights, makeup, and even interview style. You're right James is super nice, but his style is to sit behind his camera, and with lights shining in my eyes, I certainly didn't have the "friendly chat" feeling, more like being grilled under lights. So, we'll see how it turns out.
I'm not surprised that he has those memories. He didn't taint his own interview with me by telling me all that beforehand, but afterward he referred to a little of it.
You're so right about our minds filling in the blanks, which makes understanding our own perceptions such a fascinating/hazardous task - but if we can stay open and humble and use our brains, we have to be able to do it. There's a lot I believe now that I was in absolute resistance to years ago, but the evidence jives and so do the testimonies of other people who I feel are honest, intelligent and credible. So, here I am....
Speaking of alien-government alliance, have you read the accounts of Dwight Eisenhower's supposed meeting with aliens? You can websearch for it. Some of it feels like real decent evidence and testimony. I'm inclined to believe it, since it fits with things I've come to accept for personal reasons.
Congratulations on your "Hot Pick" inclusion! Sounds like you've done your work! Have a great time. Truly wish I could be there.
Oh, and here I'll give a plug for myself. The same week James interviewed me, a local woman interviewed me for our local TV. It was the perfect, real friendly situation, and I feel is my finest interview yet. Others have raved about it, and it's on YouTube now. Just go to YouTube and search for my name, Jean Eisenhower, then begin with 1/5 (first of five). We cover everything from the alien question to sexual torture, beauty pageants, shamanic healing, what Jesus might have been about, and more.
Jean
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Funny you should mention his interviewing style. Culture of Contact did a panel interview for his flick. Some thought the same thing about his style--that it was too cold and distant, especially given his background in this. I just thought he was putting on his director's hat which requires sitting behind the lens to ask us questions because he's not in the film--the film is about us. (Unless he actually tapes his own confession or something like that at a later time. But I didn't think there was anything odd about him playing omniscient interviewer.)
Still, I found myself getting angry at some of his questions. I don't remember why. Maybe they felt too "challenging" for someone who has had similar experiences. But maybe that's a good thing. Maybe it's what he was trying to provoke.
I've seen what he's got so far and it's good (except for the ridiculous channeler. I told him I think he will kill all credibility with that guy but he wants to show as many aspects of this as he can so I think the channeler stays. Now that I've said that I've reminded myself, he gave me a bunch of DVDs of this guy I haven't watched yet. Looks like it's gonna be a long night.)
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Who's the channeler? You willing to say?
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Thanks. You just reminded me I still have his DVDs...Bashar is the name of the Channeler. Not to be confused with "Babar" the beloved elephant. Now that I'm unemployed I have no excuse not to watch these!
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It's a totally fine, acceptable professional interview style. But for the interviewee, if you don't do this all the time, the lights and all can be intimidating, and then that style only makes it more difficult, and then the content - coming out on all this stuff in a film! I had a challenge. His style is his style.
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And, agreeing with you, I think James is an intelligent and very well intentioned soul, who's also very friendly when sitting in a cafe and chatting after the shoot. Didn't want to leave my last reply sounding so analytical about this very nice guy.
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