Culture of Contact Episode 55: Live From The Great UFO/ET Congress
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Host Jeremy Vaeni wings his first-ever UFO convention speech.
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Culture of Contact: Culture of Contact Episode 55: Live From The Great UFO/ET Congress
Host Jeremy Vaeni wings his first-ever UFO convention speech.
MP3 version amyone? Isn't the congress usually held in Febuary or March?
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I think there's an International UFO Congress or something different from this one. (Although the next one of these is in April... I think.)
By the way I chapter indexed this episode because you've probably heard much of what I say in my speech on the show so you can, for instance, skip the I AM experience if you're sick of hearing it.
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MP3 VERSION OF PODCAST
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http://tinyurl.com/33y5a5
Look for the file named:
CoC Ep 55 Live from the ET Congress.mp3
It's about 20MB.
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Great job Jeremy. Message was well communicated.
What does Karen Dolan speak about at conferences now? Is it primarily the UFO themes in childrens media?
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Yep. That's it. It's a decent presentation but having worked in children's TV... we need to have a talk. A lot of what she's throwing out as a hypothetical is just not how shit works. Sometimes ya gotta rest at coincidence.
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Despite some of the 'misinterpretations' on Karens part, what do you think of the issue itself? From a couple things Ive seen if there is not something going on Id very surprised.
The Teletubbies for example... (although Id have to see some more examples before I was convinced. One suspicious activity does not a conspiracy make).
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Yes, the Teletubbies are creepy but the creator has, as Karyn admits in her presentation, said what the imagery means to her and it's all about seeing the world through the baby's perspective. That's not a satisfying answer when you're looking for a pattern. But to give you an example I know something about, she cited the Bratz cartoon/line of dolls. They are sexed-up waif girls with giant heads and eyes. So we're supposed to wonder what that means in terms of alien indoctrination. The answer is, it means nothing.
There are three things going on with these cartoons:
1.) They reflect the Paris Hiltonized image of "cool" for girls.
2.) They reflect not hybrid alien, but Japanese/American hybrid animation (in other words an anime flavor.)
3.) They reflect the trend away from Disney/Barbie beauty that has been Nickelodeon's signature. Essentially, Nick took a chance with the Wild Thornberrys in creating these gawky, "ugly," oddly-shaped characters as the antithesis of Disney's classic Caucasian beauty. Disney laughed, said it would never work. Lo and behold, The Wild Thornberrys became Nick's number one cartoon. Animation has followed that trend ever since.
I brought up the first point in relation to the Bratz cartoon at the conference and her answer was that she's not saying Bratz reflects alien indoctrination--in fact none of her examples do, necessarily--because she doesn't know what their origins are. She admits this and I guess we're supposed to shrug and agree that one or two cartoons can have pedestrian origins but the preponderance of evidence illustrates her point even excluding a few 'toons here and there. But to me the point is she's uneducated as to their origins and that, not some secret government program, is the problem.
There was one kids' show, not a cartoon, that was creepy and alien-indoctrination-ish. She played the opening credits for it. I have no idea what it was called but I could see what she meant there. However, there is another aspect of this she didn't mention and maybe hasn't considered, which I know to be fact: Sometimes abductees with positive experiences work in children's television and create these shows with alien themes to "wake the kids up."
So there's your head-spinner: abductees are indoctrinating, not the government.
And finally, there are people in Hollywood who read UFO Magazine for story ideas. I shit you not. Wait until the new Witch Mountain flick comes out. It stars The Rock. It's a Disney kids' film. There are ufological cameos galore and the plot centers around not witches but crashed aliens. So Karyn, if you're reading, I'm gonna save you the heart attack: It's not because Disney is preparing us for disclosure, it's because the dude who wrote it is a fan of UFO Magazine and follows ufology.
All of that said, it does not, of course, erase the past and whatever propaganda pieces Werner von Braun and Disney concocted. I do believe that Disney at some point made an agreement to indoctrinate us to the bigger picture but I think that deal went south when the Smoking Man lurking in the shadows decided to cancel the project.
Reason I say that is because I remember hearing Linda Moulton Howe's story of being shown an amusement park theme for this purpose. I can't recall if it was Disney or if she was transported blindly to some secret location where people with no names revealed this to her. (Anyone remember???)
But, I think it was Disney and I remember being home from college, turning on the tube, and watching what I thought was a documentary on the Roswell crash. It turns out it was an infomercial for Disney's new attraction, "Future World." WTF??? - you would neeeeever have guessed that based on the actual program. It was more an afterthought. The whole damn thing was a documentary on Roswell!
That was in the early 90's.
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Super fascinating stuff.
Do you know any more about the supposed Disney deal and why it didnt go ahead as planned?
Also, those hollywood-types that read UFO mag and follow Ufology, I assume they have no stance on the issue? I.E. They dont care either way, theyre just looking for the stories?
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I don't know what happened with the Disney deal (if there truly was one). There is a strand of UFO lore that says there are competing factions who know about the Roswell debris. The older generals want to come clean with it but the younger guys haven't made enough money off it yet. Richard Dolan talks about this quite a bit. I don't know how much stock to put into these stories.
And the Hollywood types - the only ones I know about do believe there is something more real than swamp gas going on. But I'm sure it's a mixed bag as with any group.
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Hi there.
I haven't listened to this episode yet, but the comment about Hollywood using ideas from UFO Magazine reminded me about something. I know some people who worked on The X-Files and it kinda creeps them out when they hear some people in the UFO community talk about the show as if it was a documentary series. The writers on The X-Files never viewed their work as anything more than fictionalized versions of urban legends. There was no "truth out there" that they were looking to prepare people for. All that they wanted to do was make an entertaining, and sometimes scary, television show.
-Derek
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Creeps them out because their stories may actually have some basis in reality?
Or creeps them out because those weirdo creepy UFO people think theyre being written about?
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It creeps them out that the 100% fictional stories that they made up out of their imaginations in order to entertain are being interpreted by some people (albeit a small number of people) as being the 100% truth verifying UFO/paranormal government conspiracies.
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I don't know how literal you want to make that 100% out of their own imaginations. Much of what they weaved had its roots in UFO lore from the early 80s on up to Bob Lazar.
The beauty of The X-Files is the layers of enjoyment there. There's something for the sci-fi buffs, something for drama/mystery buffs, something for conspiracy theorists and abductees to latch onto--and then there is that intangible mystical nerve it taps into. That isn't something you script. It's either there and felt or it isn't. I haven't seen another show hit this again until Lost.
Thinking back to my interview with Chris Knowles, he didn't see the mystical aspect and he doesn't like Lost. (I'd argue he doesn't like it for precisely that reason--the show is virtually all mystical nerve pounding.) So as fans of The X-Files we were glued to it for different reasons. I think the conspiracy & abductee types who thought it reflected reality were mistaking the literal stories for the mystical nerve being tapped in them. To feel a TV show that deeply... well surely it must be true! It feels true! It sounds like all the stuff I heard in the 80s! These guys must be in the know!
Nope. Ya just mistranslated the thing it spoke to inside you.
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Good episode, Jeremy, very useful to hear a recap of the major experiences in your life (still no idea what to make of them!)
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Thanks. I like how I said I don't do drugs but I'm so nervous I sound coked up.
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Well done, Jeremy. The Nancy Burson anecdote was both amusing and depressing.
I'm curious if you've had any measure of success in your own portal experiment.
The word 'portal' immediately brings William Henry to mind. How unfortunate.
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Thanks. Something completely weird is going on now with this energy. I'll talk about it when I know how to articulate it. I think it's building something energy-wise in my living room. Hard to explain in writing. Maybe I'll try on the next podcast. I showed it (meaning I reenacted the types of moves) to a friend who told me it could be nothing more than Feng Shui. So maybe that's it.
It's basically been obsessed with a point on a door frame since I moved into my new place, and as of last night, a point on the wall straight across the room from the point on the door frame. It's like it's drawing a line across the room and a circle on the floor in the center.
If anyone knows what the hell I'm even saying, please let me know.
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Jeremy,
Sounds fascinating. I'd love to hear more about it. Two quick questions:
Do the line/circle manifest to visible
appearance?
Does the energy vocalize through you?
Thanks.
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No to both.
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Your new weird energy movements sounds interesting. Are you video taping this by any chance?
When this energy takes you over so to speak can yo exert your own will over it if you want or need to?
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I haven't been videotaping it. Unless something spectacular unfolds that I can catch on tape I don't see the point. Sometimes it looks like there are lights coming off of me and sometimes the room gets thick with different energies to the point where I can swirl my hand in it like water and make patterns. But I don't have night vision on my camera to pick this up in the dark. Furthermore, I have a feeling it's only visible to me because at that point something is opened in me that I can see these things. But maybe I'll embarrass the hell out of myself and do it for a friend to see if it's visible to them. I would hope that beads of light coming off of me might.
Yes I can exert my own will over it.
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Here is one possiblity!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcjZtsFU5Z4
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Nah. It's far more complex and beneficial than a fictitious agent of chaos.
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I listened to the show yesterday, and the 'remote-viewing' episodes you spoke of rung a bell. I have had the same thing before, and I think I may have stumbled on way to repeat it. I have insomnia. I drink a few beers everynight before I go to sleep. Have been for many years. It allows me to get in a good 5 or 6 hours of snooze-time before I start tossing and turning. If I don't ,I'm lucky to get 2 or 3, and sometimes it takes hours before I doze off unless I'm really physically beat. I have experienced this visual phenomenon before after being deprived of sleep for nearly 48 hours and gone to bed without consuming alcohol. I just so happened to be to broke to buy beer, so I stayed up all night and went to bed at about 4 this morning. And what do you know...Earthy, somewhat goldish, blobs of color start to assemble into images. I saw bricks arranged in a herring-bone patter and a portion of an ornate park bench, i saw an aerial view of a suburban neighborhood...all of the houses had the old style t.v. antennas. I came back three times to the same kichen in a dark home with an old dial phone, the one's with the curly cord, hanging on the wall. The weirdest scene was in a completely dark space and there was a square hole with light coming through about 10 feet above me. It seemed like the back of my eyelids was literally a monitor at times. Pretty cool really.
And now, for something completely different, speaking of weird shit for kids, have you ever seen 'Boobah?' That show gives me a serious case of WTF.
http://www.boohbah.com/zone.html
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Boobah!
That's the show I couldn't think of in the earlier post that does look like something alien-sih is going on. Everybody watch the opening to that and tell me what you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ-nif4rXGs
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Kind of reminds me of the "Monarch" stuff. I think this version has a more appropriate soundtrack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8JTzkH1p9A
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That is better with the soundtrack. The more I watch the more I think it's just a show about Grimace the lovable blob from McDonald's.
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This was a trippy one too. Note the green guy flying around in the big hat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btpd8zg5VWA
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I knew that I was just joking.
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The Boy From Space was a 1970s kid's show in England, used for teaching reading to elementary school pupils. It is by far the weirdest alien-themed children's show ever made: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/lookandread/intro.shtml
(click on 'death of a car' and 'boy from space')
The voices still creep me out now, though the production values aren't exactly Industrial Light and Magic! Karyn Dolan will love it...
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"So there's your head-spinner: abductees are indoctrinating, not the government."
Considering Karla Turner's report of a military presence in her abduction experiences, hers and others, makes ya wonder.
Not enough to address a conspiracy maybe, but it's creepy. Hey, it might make a good movie.
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Just picked up a book called The Shadow Factory by James Bamford. Here on page 2 we learn:
"Among the few ho know just how much data flows into the NSA Eric C. Haseltine. The former head of Disney's 'Imagineering' labs, Haseltine was appointed as the agency's associate director for research in 2002."
So there's a legit modern link for ya.
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WOW. You better tell Karyn about that. Shell blow a fuse.
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